BitInstant - CoinDesk

PSA: BitInstant's cash-to-bitcoin-address service is reliable, but they fudge the exchange rate; on top of the stated 3.99% fee (and unstated ZipZap fee), BitInstant has consistently marked up the exchange rate way above ($6 or so) the maximum that MtGox quotes around the time the transfer is made.

Charlie Shrem (bitinstant) ultimately compensated me more than what I thought I was still owed, and for that I thank him; I feel that my personal matter has been satisfied amicably.
I still believe that there are strange discrepancies in the data I've seen, which have not yet been accounted for, and I hope Charlie looks into it for the sake of his otherwise valuable company; I wouldn't want BitInstant to be blamed for the errors (or malice) of another party in the pipeline.
In any case, I would currently still feel comfortable using BitInstant.
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Question about BitInstant cash to bitcoins?

I am looking to buy bitcoins with cash using BitInstant, and was wondering how exactly this service works. Can I do a cash deposit direct to my temporary Silk Road bitcoin address, or do I have to go through Mt. Gox? Once the order has been placed, do I just take the slip to the location and pay the cash? Does the information I input have to be real? (Will my ID be checked?) Thanks!
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Bitinstant cash to bitcoin address help!!

I'm new to using bitcoin and am looking for a little assistance. I want to cash deposit and end up with bitcoins in my wallet. Following a guide, I used bitinstant cash to bitcoin address option, but on the order summary, I'm simply quoted in USD the amount I will receive in my wallet. I submitted the order, but haven't yet gone down to CVS to make the cash deposit. I thought that the cash to bitcoin address option would automatically convert my USD to bitcoin at the current market rate? What am I doing wrong?
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[Video] Bitinstant Tutorial: How to turn your cash into Bitcoin

[Video] Bitinstant Tutorial: How to turn your cash into Bitcoin submitted by LadyBytes to Bitcoin [link] [comments]

BitInstant's new feature to sell bitcoins directly to a debit card worked flawlessly selling my coins to my, wait for it, PayPal Business Debit Card. Card is free and even has cash back!

BitInstant's new feature to sell bitcoins directly to a debit card worked flawlessly selling my coins to my, wait for it, PayPal Business Debit Card. Card is free and even has cash back! submitted by alexpeterson91 to Bitcoin [link] [comments]

Deposit Cash at Bank of America, Chase, Citi, Wells and Get Bitcoin, Thanks to BitInstant and TrustCash

Deposit Cash at Bank of America, Chase, Citi, Wells and Get Bitcoin, Thanks to BitInstant and TrustCash submitted by bitinstant to Bitcoin [link] [comments]

Bitinstant seems to be accepting cash deposits to Bitcoin addresses once again

Bitinstant seems to be accepting cash deposits to Bitcoin addresses once again submitted by mcc4b3 to SilkRoad [link] [comments]

With BitInstant Cash Deposit down, is there no remaining way to get bitcoins instantly (or within the day)?

I have coinbase and blockchain up and running, but can't wait four days at the moment. I need some coins on Monday and it looks like there is no way to do this. Does anyone have any advice for the community? I think the price is dropping simply due to the fact they are simply too hard to buy at the moment. A 3-4 day wait to get coins when the market is going down is losing 10-15 on the coin. This is frustrating and sad to see, but I may be out of some loop.
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Bitinstant no longer offering cash to bitcoin address. How do you buy bitcoins anonymously now?

Step two of the, "step by step guide for newbies who want bitcoins anonymously" is no longer valid.
What is the safest way to buy bitcoins anonymously now?
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How to purchase bitcoins without bitinstant (cash drop)

How can you purchase bitcoins via moneygram at CVS or whatever now that bitinstant doesnt work?
I need bitcoins ASAP, as in tomorrow, and I need a way.
I remember I would print out a money order sheet and bring it to CVS, then bam I had BTC in my wallet, now how do I do this?!
Help will be greatly appreciated THank you
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BitInstant: Service to "instantly" turn cash into Bitcoin.

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Roger Ver, is one of the five founders of the bitcoin foundation. You could say he was ahead of his time, buying $25,000 worth of bitcoin when they were merely $1 each. He was the first major investor to invest millions in, Ripple, Kraken, and Bitpay among others. Now he wants Bitcoin Cash, a fork of the legacy chain, to be used as a global P2P currency, and says it can scale just like Satoshi first laid out in the original Bitcoin whitepaper. -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank: #5 Current Price: $257.65 Market Cap : $4,741,042,759 24 hour trading volume : 1.741 Billion USD -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Roger, first and foremost, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to do this. You are truly a pioneer in the Bitcoin space, and all of us owe you a debt of gratitude. On behalf of all of us, I wanted to say thank you for advancing the space.
1. First, I want you to take a moment and appreciate how far bitcoin and cryptocurrency has come this past decade. Did you ever believe you would see such growth, interest, and adoption in such a short period of time or has it completely surprised you?
We always over estimate the amount of progress that will be made in the short term, but underestimate the amount of progress that will be made in the long term.
Crypto currency is another example of that.
2. At what point did it hit you that bitcoin was history in the making?
From the very first day I knew it was one of the most important inventions in the history of humankind.
The book Digital Gold goes over how I literally had to go to the emergency room because of the excitement I had for Bitcoin.
3. How did you first get into bitcoin, pre Bitinstant?
I first heard about it on the radio show.
A full history of the early years is covered well by Digital Gold.
4 .What economists and philosophers do you align with?
I think Murray Rothbard fits into both categories and his thinking influenced mine more than any other single author.
Others who have influenced me would include:
Adam Smith
Ludwig von Mises
Milton Friedman
David Friedman
John Locke
Henry Hazlitt
Frederick Bastiat
Larked Rose
Ray Kurzweil
6. What has been your favorite moment in crypto history thus far?
My favorite moments were reading the underlying philosophy behind the Silk Road.
The government has done an amazing job distorting and smearing the underlying message behind the site.
My eyes started to tear up when I read this post on the front page of the Silk Road for the fist time:
I never bought or sold a single thing there, but I spent countless enjoyable hours reading their forums and exploring the site.
7. What are your future plans for Bitcoin Cash?
It isn’t just a hobby, it’s a global revolt. We will become money for the world.
8. Branding is so important. Bitcoin currently has greater brand recognition a la Coca-Cola, and is regarded by many as the “real” Bitcoin, even though this is widely disputed, especially by crypto-fundamentalists. Do you envision a Coca-Cola vs. Pepsi type scenario? Do you envision parity price-wise between the two on a long enough timeline?
Bitcoin Cash has more utility than BTC, so in the long run it will have a larger market cap. Currently we are in the era when Myspace was bigger than Facebook, but Myspace’s servers were being over loaded and causing a bad user experience.
Eventually people migrated to Facebook and eventually people will migrate away from BTC.
8. a) Have you ever thought of re-branding Bitcoin Cash?
No one is in control to do such a thing by themselves. The community can’t even agree on orange vs green for the colors.
9. Bitcoin Cash has the potential to truly be used as a global form of payment rather than merely a store of value, what else excites you the most about the potential of Bitcoin Cash?
  1. Fast
  2. Cheap
  3. Reliable
  4. Private
Payments for the world. That’s all we need.
10. I asked Adam Back the same question: If you could remove yourself from the equation, and remove bias, how would you objectively evaluate the pros and cons of Bitcoin Cash versus The Lightning Network?
Anyone can permissionlessly start using BCH to start sending or receiving payments world wide in about 30 seconds. (The time it takes to download an app)
It is accepted by more than 100,000 websites around the world, and has millions of users.
Lightning Network would take about a full day to setup and get working permissionlessly, and would take several hundred dollars of additional computer hardware.
Once it is setup, you can spend it at about 300 websites world wide, and it has maybe a few tens of thousands of users.
11. When you’re not working, what do you like to do for fun? Favorite hobbies?
I enjoy reading, and Brazilian Jujitsu. I’m especially interested in doing more competitions before I get too old.
12. What are a few of your favorite books? What are some that have made a long lasting impact on you? (Can be fiction or nonfiction)
I loved the Age of Spiritual Machines. It painted a picture of how exciting the world is going to be thanks to More’s Law.
I also loved The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. I see crypto currency being a world life parallel.
13. What are you most excited about for the future of blockchain technology and where do you see the space in 5 years?
I’m excited to see wide spread wallets with strong privacy, and more agorism starting to take place around the world.
14. What are your personal theories of who Satoshi was / were, what was their motivation, and do you think something like bitcoin would have inevitably been created eventually, had Satoshi never existed?
I don’t know who Satoshi is or was, but it was clear they were trying to build a peer to peer electronic cash system, not what BTC has become today.
It was an inevitability that someone would create something like Bitcoin eventually. People like David Friedman and others had been writing about it for decades in advance.
15. What advice would you give our viewers regarding blockchain, business, motivation, or life in general?
Read more books. Reading a book like having a one on one tutoring session from the author. It’s the best way to learn directly from the greatest minds the human race has ever produced.
If you were a director and could make only one film out of all the wild stories regarding crypto, what subject matter would you choose and why?
The Silk Road because it embodied the spirit of peer to peer cash and voluntaryism.
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How can I convert bank account funds to bitcoins completely anonymously?

Basically I want to make some money disappear with complete anonymity and make the money untraceable. How can I do this without just withdrawing the money and converting cash to bitcoin?
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Who is the richest Bitcoin owner?

Technically, Bitcoin was worth less than 10 cents per bitcoin upon its inception in 2009. The cryptocurrency has risen steadily since then and is now worth around $6000 per Bitcoin. This is the most remarkable appreciation of the value and has created many millionaires over the last eight years.
Here are the top ten people/institutions that held a large amount of Bitcoins over time:
1. Satoshi Nakamoto
The creator of Bitcoin, who hides behind the moniker Satoshi Nakamoto, remains the major holder of bitcoins. The number of bitcoins that Nakamoto owns today is estimated at around 1.1 million, based on the early mining that he did. This is the equivalent of about $6 billion at today’s exchange rate of 1BTC to 6,098 USD. At least Nakamoto has never touched most of his bitcoins, and neither converted them into real-world currencies nor used them for any other purpose. If he were to sell his entire stash, the value of Bitcoin could plummet in an instant.
2. Bulgaria
Bulgaria is currently sitting on one of the biggest stashes of Bitcoin in the world. How did the European nation come into the possession of this enormous sum of money? A crackdown on organized crime by the Bulgarian law enforcement in May 2017 resulted in the seizure of a stash of 213,519 Bitcoins, enough to pay off a quarter of the country’s national debt.
According to Bulgarian authorities, the criminals used their technical prowess to circumvent taxes. As of June 2018, the virtual coins would be worth more than $1.2 billion. The Bulgarian government has declined to comment on the status of the coins.
3. BitFinex
BitFinex, a crypto exchange, has one of the largest bitcoin wallets with 163,133.38 BTC that are worth approximately $1 billion at the current price of $6,098.24 per bitcoin. The coins are believed to be kept in a cold wallet to protect them from cyber hacks, unauthorized access and other vulnerabilities that a system connected to the internet is prone to.
4. The FBI
The FBI is one of the largest renowned holders of Bitcoin. In September 2013, they brought down Silk Road, the infamous dark web drug bazaar, and seized 144,000 Bitcoin owned by the site’s operator Ross Ulbricht, better known as, “Dread Pirate Roberts”. Ulbricht made critical blunders that allowed investigators to locate the site and link him to it. Users of Silk Road are said to have traded around 9.5 million bitcoins since Ulbricht launched the site in 2011. Even thought the FBI sold a large amount of their Bitcoin holdings or even all, the FBI worth mentioned as they had a fortune in Bitcoin at some point. A large portion of the Bitcoins seized and sold went to Barry Silbert.
5. The Winklevoss Twins
Tyler Winklevoss and Cameron Winklevoss were among the first Bitcoin billionaires. The duo had first gained popularity when they sued the Facebook C.E.O. Mark Zuckerberg for allegedly stealing the idea of creating Facebook from them. They were contacted by Zuckerberg to develop the ConnectU site, which was to become Facebook later on.
They used $11 million of the $65 million cash compensation they received from the legal dispute with Zuckerberg to purchase 1.5 million Bitcoins in 2013. Back then, one Bitcoin traded at $120. That investment has increased more than 20000% since then.
The twins allegedly own around 1 percent of all Bitcoin in circulation. Their combined net worth is approximately 400 million. They created the Windex, funded several bitcoin-related ventures and invested $1.5 million in BitInstant.
6. Garvin Andresen
Although bitcoin is the brainchild of Satoshi Nakamoto, Garvin Andresen is credited as the person who made it what it is today. Garvin is one of the people who has been suspected to be Satoshi, a claim he denies. Rather, he says that he had a close relationship with the anonymous cryptographer for many years. The real Satoshi Nakamoto picked him as his successor in late 2010. Garvin became the chief developer of the open source code that determines how Bitcoin operates – and whether it can survive. He was once paid over $200,000 in Bitcoin by the Bitcoin Foundation for his contributions. He had already cashed out multiple times.
7. Roger Ver
Roger Ver, otherwise known as Bitcoin Jesus, is one of the first Bitcoin billionaires and believed to hold or held at least 100,000 bitcoins. The renowned libertarian allegedly dropped out of college to focus on his bitcoin-related projects. Unlike other crypto billionaires out there who are throwing their cash in the typical private Islands or luxury jets, Ver’s dream is to establish his own libertarian nation where every individual is the absolute owner of their own life and are free to do whatever they wish with their person or property. The controversial bitcoin evangelist renounced his U.S. citizenship in 2014 and relocated permanently to a small Caribbean Island.
8. Barry Silbert
Silbert is a venture capitalist and founder of Digital Currency Group. He was an early adopter of Bitcoin. He purportedly walked away with an eye-watering 48,000 Bitcoins in an auction held by the U.S. Marshals Service in 2014. The US government had confiscated much of the crypto coins from Ross Ulbricht, the alleged operator of the dark web marketplace for drugs and other illegal products. Bitcoin was then worth $350, which means Silbert’s coins have skyrocketed in value from $16.8 million to $288 million.
9. Charlie Shrem
Charlie Shrem is no doubt one of the most controversial Bitcoin millionaires. He invested in a large quantity of Bitcoin in the early days of the cryptocurrency. Shrem was also an active member of the Bitcoin Foundation and founded BitInstant when he was just 22 years old. By the end of December 2014, Shrem had been found guilty of money laundering and received a two-year prison sentence. After his release from federal custody, he unveiled a startup called Intellisys Capital, a company that sells investment portfolios in blockchain companies.
10. Tony Gallippi
A famous business magnate Tony Gallippi is also believed to be one of the big holders of bitcoins. He is the brain behind BitPay, one of the most popular Bitcoin payment service providers in the world. The company was launched in May 2011 and processes over one million dollars per day. Bitpay is also one of the companies to sign contracts with major companies including Microsoft, Dell, TigerDirect, and Newegg. By 2014, the company had employed approximately 100 people.
It is estimated that the top 1000 bitcoin addresses own approximately 35% of the total bitcoin in circulation. There are also thousands of individuals who hold large stashes of bitcoin but have chosen to remain anonymous.
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[Careful] A few thoughts to Silverbugs I see new to cryptocurrencies or thinking of making the plunge

I really like this community and have enjoyed conversations and trading with many of you. Because I like you, I will give you the TLDR first so you do not have to scroll to the bottom of this wall of text.
TLDR - If you are new to crypto or thinking of investing, be prepared for the possiblity of losing (or loosing to those of you who have been around the bitcoin forums a while) 50% of the USD value tomorrow. If you think bitcoin dropping 50% in a few days is crazy talk you need to read the wall of text
Some of you may know from my pmsforsale posts that my preffered form of payment for peer to peer trades is bitcoin - i believe btc/crypto currencies have some great use cases now and there is a chance they may be a revolutionary new technology/change the way we do business and trade, and/or replace or augment gold as a store of value you can hold yourself without the need to trust a 3rd party. Another big draw for me is that each btc will always remain fungible (no btc can be declared invalid or claimed by a government or financial institution) - none can be created arbitrarily by any group devaluing what you hold. 1 btc will always be worth 1/21,000,000 of all the bitcoins ever to be created just as 1 ounce of gold will always be worth 1 oz gold/all the ozs of gold.
The above things aside, as an investment I always try to caution friends/family that it is a high risk investment and should only be made with an amount of money that would not affect your life or cause you anguish mentally if what you invest today is worth 1/2 as much in USD tomorrow and completely valueless in 1 month.
Some of you who are newer to following btc price - say the last 6 months - maybe don't believe it can really be cut in 1/2 in USD terms in one or two days but it most definitely can. I have been following bitcoin for 3 bitcoin bubbles and blow offs (we are currently in my third and by my definition the 4th major bubble since bitcoin began trading on exchanges.)
Here are how the bubbles I followed have gone down in my memory and a brief glance back at charts (dates and prices are approximate and the start and end of the bubbles, or even if they were bubbles are by my definition).
  1. Late January 2013 - Mid March 2013 (prices are mt gox for this bubble)- I was a spectator for this one as I had just discovered btc in late 2012 and was learning more about how it worked/what its purpose or uses could be. Buying btc at that time was a good deal dodgier than an ACH transfer to a federally regulated company such as Coinbase or Gemini and, although I could see the potential future of bitcoin, I also was not ready to mail someone cash or go to walmart and send money to Charlie at Bitinstant. Bubble began at approximately $20, topped out just 2-3 months later over $250. Volume increased heavily towards the top as you would expect as the hype grows and new money comes in to the bubbling market chasing the dream of big returns. This bubble crash was very violent and if I remember correctly the high and low occurred on the same day as the high of 250 with a low for the day in the 50's (I can only view weekly charts so it may not have been the same day but I am pretty sure it was). If you were the person who put your x dollars in at 250+ to see it drop 70% in a day/week would it affect your life. If you answer yes, you are investing more than you can afford. This should take in mental state as well as financial.
  2. November 2013 - I finally took the plunge into bitcoin at around 120 usd in late August 2013. The bubble began to me on the day of the silk road closing. For a long time many people in btc believed that the bulk of btc value was due to its use on the darknet market silk road, my self included. When the seizure of the website and the arrest of it's founder btc quickly dropped to around 80 but recovered most of its losses that day and was breaking out of a long consolidation period around 140 within a week or two. This breakout was the beginning of the November bubble. We topped out around 1100 on bitsamp and saw a low in the 500's within a day or two. This bear market lasted over 18 months with a final low in the 200 area. Again, if you bought at 1100 within a week or two your usd value was cut in half.
  3. The bubble I didn't witness - 2012 breakout around $6, high several weeks later at $32 with a low of $2 the same day.
The bubbles and crashes seem to be getting less volatile, which makes sense as the market becomes more liquid. That said, I fully expect the current bubble to crash 40-60% in a period of 2 weeks or less when it blows off. What I have no idea of is if it will be from 3,000 to 1,600 or 6,000 to 2,800 or any possibility.
To be clear, I am not saying don't invest in crypto. I believe if you do the research you may find it worth a portion of your higher risk investment portfolio. I am saying don't invest any funds you need in the near term (from an investment standpoint I consider near term to be 2 years or less). Also, if you plan to invest X maybe put in 1/y of X at time interval z so you don't go all in at a local top. The benefits of dollar cost averaging have been debated for eons in investing circles but I will add my 2 satoshi's - I personally do enough research to be confident enough in my decision prior to investing in an asset for the medium to long term so that a short term drop in the asset's value will not cause me to panic sell a local bottom, so once I decide to invest an amount I go all in with that amount. Do not underestimate the power of panic - it is a far stronger driver than greed which is why I believe the moves up in bitcoin bubbles can take 10 weeks or more but the bulk of move down happens in days.
Cheers everyone, and if you have any questions on btc I am happy to provide direction.
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My biggest regret, a saved email from 2013.

12/20/13 K: Hey man, it's K. Is your name D? Anyway...getting money onto BTC-e can be tricky if you are trying to deposit USD. I kind of just had to learn by trial an error because I didn't know anyone that could teach me, because i am the only one that invests in crypto currency that I know.
Anyway, coinbase is probably the best bitcoin wallet service in the United States. It is definitely the largest and most reputable. Use this referral link: Once you sign up using this link, it will give us both some free money after you have purchased some bitcoins. The process takes a little while to get all started up, but it is worth it because it is so easy to use after. You can instantly buy bitcoins, and then use those bitcoins to send to BTC-E to purchase whatever other coins you want. I invest pretty heavily in LTC. The only way I have been able to do that is by buying bitcoins on coinbase, and then sending them to btc-e. Let me know if this works for you..
K: Let me know if the email reached you
D: Yep. I got it. Two to three days for the deposit verification into my bank account. Thanks for the advice. I take it you work in finance?
K: Yeah I do :). Coinbase takes a bit for the verification process but it is super easy to use after that. When you sell bitcoins, they just deposit the money right back into your bank account. It's the easiest service that I have found that is reputable.
D: Have you ever tried trading for small margins? I made about 0.60 USD since I started last night. I got my initial funding by mining FTC. I'm trading BTC.
D: Actually up to 10.81 after my last trade. Got in at 625 and sold at 639.
K: I mainly buy and hold for long term. I bought some NMC to flip, but it dropped in value steeply so im still holding it. I buy more every time it dips. Sent via wireless, please excuse any typos...
D: Cool. No worry about typos. I type all day at work so don't mind as well. I give up on accuracy at 5. My friends also aren't very much into crytpo currencies. I like the technical aspect but I'm more interested in trading on BTC-E. I must have watched about 12 hours of bitcoinwisdom since yesterday. It was my first time analyzing real time data. I can't believe how much info you can obtain just from identifying patterns. I have a quick question about a 401k if you don't mind. So far my year to date is 26%, is that good?
K: Yes, very good. You must have had it set up aggressively with the investing choices (which is better to do when you are young). Good stock market returns are around 12% so you are more than double, but don't be surprised if there is a correction to lower on the returns there too.
D: Yes. I'm over 50% in small cap and am young. Is there anyway to avoid that correction by reallocating?
K: Nah, just leave it. At least you have a 401k, most people are paycheck to paycheck
D: Defiantly. I can't imagine how some of my co-workers get by paying overdraft fees each month. Have a good night. I'll let you know when I buy some coins on that site.
K: Cool, let me know. Let's make some money! :)
12/22/13 D: Howdy K, I'm still waiting on the deposits in my bank account by Coinbase. Thanks for the referral link, I'm looking forward to that free $5 of BTC. Up to $12.30 USD on BTCE, looking to break $13 tonight. Can't wait to get some more trading funds.
K: It takes a bit for the initial deposit. I think it took my bank almost a week :(. Once you are done though everything is quick. If you add a credit card too, you can buy up to 10 btc instantly per week
D: Awesome. Have any suggestions? (pic) attaches picture of small gains trade history
K: What do you mean by sugggestions? Like on your trading?
K: Can you deposit more money? It looks like you aren't fully able to enjoy the full gains of your trades because the amounts that you are trading are a little small. If possible I would suggest buying 1 btc when the price is the lowest of the day, and then trade from there..
K: Also i would stay away from ftc for time being
12/24/13 K: Hey bud, i just got some free money from coinbase :) did you get it too? Pretty cool huh?
D: Yes sir. 4 days for my order to fill, can't wait.
12/25/13 D: Merry Christmas!
K: Merry xmas! If you add a credit card you can instant buy up to 10btc. What other coins are you buying right now? I mainly just have BTC and LTC
D: Does the credit card have to be a Visa? I'm mining about 8 FTC per day and trading for BTC at market. Then I trade BTC/USD for 0.10 - 0.40 profits. Working on a spreadsheet right now which you can see if you are interested.
D: spreadsheet sends corny orange and grey spreadsheet
K: Think it can be mastercard or amex too...
K: Nice LTC rally today :). I just picked up more LTC yesterday too
D: I tried adding a mastercard and discover but it wouldn't work. I've been watching the rally. Waiting to buy in to BTC at $656.
K: Shit that sucks, email support and ask if they accept mastercard? I find that odd that they would only accept visa
D: No worries. Deposit should clear 12/31
12/29/2013 K: Hows it going? Did you get your btc?
D: Hey K. Not yet, they will be deposited 12/31. Bought at $651
K: Nice so you are already up :)
K: How much did you buy? You should buy some and hold long term if possible too
1/2/2014 D: Happy New Year, K. I only bought 0.2 BTC for about $131. I'm at a total balance of $179.07. Started mining FTC again for the few extra dollars per day.
I think I read somewhere that there is a cap of 21 million BTC that will ever be in existence. 21 million on the internet is subtle considering how many views cat videos get on youtube. 21 million out 7 billion people is even smaller. Sometimes I find it hard to imagine millions and billions but I always think about this one thing: 1 million seconds is about 11 days, 1 billion seconds around 31 years. I'm very optimistic about the long term. Probably going to set aside at least 1 BTC in the near future.
Have you ever seen BTC listed on ebay? I created an auction yesterday for 0.1 BTC, $120.00. It sold within 3 hours but the buyer flaked out after I told them they would be receiving the BTC-E redeemable code in the mail. They created a dispute stating that the ebay/pal accounts were accessed by an unauthorized third party which is currently in process. I didn't lose anything and actually sold back the 0.1 at $775 after buying at $740 last night. I'm considering re-listing some BTC on Ebay but don't want to deal with reversed payments. Have any insight?
K: I heard ebay can be a nightmare with sellers getting scammed by buyers with chargebacks. If you are going to do it, I would recommend selling maybe paper wallets only, that you actually have to mail to them. That way you can have a tracking number for your shipping. If you want to sell through paypal, be careful, I think any mention of crypto currency can get your account frozen. Not positive about that though. Try selling to people on the forums, I think that would be easy. Honestly, I think just buying what you can and holding long is the best option to make the best returns. Look how the market has gone today D
K: 21 million BTC is not even enough btc for each person in my state to have 1, let alone the United States, or the entire world. As long as the demand stays high, the price could become astronomical if some major players like wall street enter the game. Just think, if Wall Street threw like 100 mill at Bitcoins (which is not that far-fetched), the price would probably jump to like 3-4k per BTC after that 1 day alone…
D: I don't think I'm going to sell anything else on Ebay until I come up with a better way of protecting against charge backs. The market has been awesome today.
D: That's very true. I think my next purchase will be 0.5 BTC to keep in my wallet.
K: Have you seen the stuff on zerocoin? Looks interesting, should be out this year...there has been a lotta hype around it..
D: Haven't heard anything about it until just reading an article now. Looks interesting and they make a good argument about anonymity. I only read over it briefly, but it appears what they're proposing would add an additional transaction fee the the process. Cool concept. Are you good with candlestick charts and patterns?
K: Somewhat. I learned them in college but stopped using them until now, so I am pretty rusty…I get the concepts and all, but I am not a professional at them by any means. I saw my buddies wallet the other day…he is pretty stacked. Over 250btc and over 1000 LTC!
D: That is pretty stacked. About 500k stacked, right? Are you familiar with the creator(s) of bitcoin "Satoshi Nakamoto"? Is it actually one person? There are quite a few claims as to who or whom Satoshi may be.
K: Im not familiar, i heard it was a team of people under that one name
D: I wonder if it was created by a goverment. Like some NSA type agency. Kinda like how the darknet started off as a Navy project.
K: Nah I doubt it. Government wouldn't create something that could possibly pose a threat to its own currency.
D: That's a good point. The future of BTC is exciting.
1/6/2014 D: Started trading NMC recently. Check ou the spreadsheet attaches another shitsheet Still just testing the water before I start making bigger trades. Buy any more BTC/LTC lately?
K: Cool man.. Year i got some LTC at $16 right before it went back up :)
1/7/2014 D: Nice buy. Catch the market today? China's equivalent of Ebay banned the sell of btc, ltc, mining gear, etc.
My understanding on of China: China’s central bank regulated the virtual currency for the first time on Dec. 5 by banning financial institutions and payment providers from conducting transactions in the virtual currency
Chinese central bank officials told third-party payment service providers to stop offering clearing services to online Bitcoin exchanges
China's Ebay bans sell of BTC in accordance to the central bank's ban effective Jan. 31. Acting as a clearing house of BTC.
I'm now $180 long NMC. I might invest 1k soon on BTC, any thoughts on an upcoming entry point?
K: Hmmm not quite sure on entry point. I am in the red as of today on NMC. Im trying to get it back to 0.01 btc to convert my nmc back to btc, i missed it on the last push. If you are investing 1k and holding long, then any of the daily ups and downs dont matter because in the long run we hope it will be way up. If i were you, i would just wait for a big red candle and then try to by at the bottom. Maybe $800/btc is good?
K: The part that sucks is that it seems like BTC value works so hard to creep up and up slowly, and right when it seems like it is going to pick up some momentum, BAM! More bad news comes out and slams the market. This cycle seems to keep repeating over and over right now…
1/9/14 K: I got 2 more btc :)
1/27/14 D: Sorry, haven't check this email account for a few weeks. Been working a lot of OT. What price did you buy in at on 1/9? I just sold a majority of my coins for cash. I picked up 3 LTC at 19.50 though. What's gonna happen 2/1/14?
Also, do you know how long it would take for a tax return check if you have your taxes in prior to the 31st? I finished those 2 weeks ago if it matters.
The other day the dow finished pretty low. Do you have any thoughts about the US economy over the next 6-12 months?
K: What’s up man…huge dump off of BTC right now on almost all exchanges (except gox which is bs anyway). I bought some more LTC at around $19 too.
I am holding all for long haul, although it would have been profitable to sell this morning, and re-buy after this dump off. I have no idea what is going to happen on 2/1. Last time when senate met, everyone thought the party was over, and then there was a huge rally in prices instead.
I am trying to figure out the right price to buy more btc right now… what do you think?
D: Sorry. Copied and pasted instead of attaching the pic. I think we'll have to see if it breaks that support. What about the arrest of that guy at bitinstant? *attaches picture of BTC 4h chart with a random line pointing downward
K: I don’t think that one arrest will tank the market like that. I am wondering if the confiscated silk road funds are being trickled through the exchanges by the feds. It seems weird the sell off right now. It almost seems systematic. Like there is a huge sell off that clears all the buy orders. Then it is calm for a few minutes, then repeat. Really strange…
D: But I wonder how they brought charges on him? Could they hold anyone accountable who sold BTC to a person using it to buy drugs on silk road? If the Feds are selling that would explain it. They seized 144,000 and they're saying the owner of silkroad may have 600,000 stashed in a wallet.
K: I think the number is more like 30,000 btc
D: The spokesperson says the approximately 26,000 Bitcoins seized are just the ones that were held in Silk Road accounts. In other words, it’s Silk Road users’ Bitcoin. The FBI has not been able to get to Ulbricht’s personal Bitcoin yet. “That’s like another $80 million worth,” she said, explaining that it was held separately and is encrypted. If that is indeed what he’s holding, that’s close to 600,000 Bitcoin all together or about 5% of all Bitcoin currently in existence. (Update 10-25: The FBI says it’s seized 144,000 Bitcoins, or about $28 million, that it believes belong to Ross Ulbricht.)
K: I don’t understand how they were able to confiscate them, when bitcoins are not yet considered money, so they shouldn’t fall under forfeiture rules…
1/17/18 - D: Wish you the best K and hope you held those coins longer than I did.
TLDR: Meet a friend in December 2013 that gave me advice to buy and hold BTC long term. This is one of our email threads from around that time, edited to remove personally identifying information. I used all my bitcoin for pizza following the fall of Mt. Gox and the subsequent bubble burst.
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Changelly scam... I think so.

I've been very patient with Changelly since August 5th when I submitted my first support ticket on this matter. Now that it's clear to me that Changelly runs a drag-it-out support strategy, it's time to go public.
Is Changelly a scam?
You be the judge... please leave your opinion in the comments.
The transaction (Tx) at issue here is BTC for GBYTE (Byteball).
For those not familiar with Byteball:
Byteball has no mining; its native currency - white bytes (GBYTE) and black bytes (BB) - was created back in December 2016 and has since been distributed, as widely as possible, via ~monthly airdrops. Every full moon since December, a "snapshot" has been taken of the balance of bytes held on each and every Byteball address, and of the balance of every registered BTC address. Shortly thereafter, each address receives new bytes based on the balance at the time of the snapshot.
The last snapshot was August 7, 2017 18:10 UTC (11:10 PDT), and new bytes were distributed as follows:
One last thing: Byteball's immutable ledger of Txs is stored in a construct called a DAG (Directed Acyclical Graph), analogous in function to bitcoin's blockchain.
On August 5, two days before the Byteball snapshot, I initiated a Tx with Changelly to trade 20 BTC for ~105 GBYTE. Changelly took my BTC, but held on to the GBYTE through the snapshot, collected the airdropped Byteball reward based on the balance of my funds, and then, 4 days after I initiated the Tx, sent ~105 GBYTE.
Changelly effectively stole my ByteBall distribution reward.
When hours had passed and still no GBYTE, I sent my first ticket, and support responded:
"It seems that there could be some technical issues either with our wallet or with Gbyte network. We will investigate the matter. We have forwarded your request to the technical department. They will push your transaction through. We will inform you, once your issue is resolved!"
On August 7th, before the snapshot, I submitted two more support tickets. I told Changelly that if they couldn't deliver the GBYTE before the snapshot, I wanted my BTC back. Support responded on August 8th 2:06pm (long after the snapshot):
"Unfortunately, we cannot refund your bitcoins since they have been already converted into GBYTE. But you will receive the same amount since your money has been already exchanged. Please confirm your GBYTE wallet address and we will repeat payout. All the issues seem to be fixed now, so it should work."
I responded, explaining why the only reasonable remedy was for Changelly to refund my BTC. I did not confirm any GBYTE wallet address.
Support ignored me and sent the following on August 9th:
"Good news! We have received the response from the exchange and now everything has been delivered!"
I wrote to Charlie Shrem, an advisor to Changelly, and he forwarded my complaint to Changelly CEO, Konstantin Gladych. I've also emailed Gladych many times directly myself. Zero response.
Under civil law, Changelly has been unjustly enriched and is liable to pay restitution.
Unjust Enrichment. A general equitable principle that no person should be allowed to profit at another's expense without making restitution for the reasonable value of any property, services, or other benefits that have been unfairly received and retained.
This principle is widely recognized and applies to Changelly here regardless of whether they did anything wrong. This is essentially why Coinbase and Poloniex changed course and gave their customers the BCH that was due to them.
Changelly is clearly liable under civil law.
What about criminal liability?
Using a DAG explorer, we can browse Byteball's immutable ledger of Txs and discover the following:
All Changelly had to do was send it to me. What happened?
The DAG shows that the GBYTE was diverted to the following addresses, which subsequently received the airdropped GBYTE that rightfully should have gone to me:
  • 31,447,997,156 to CBCYP2UY6YX2FJX6OXNDHBQO4VREDUJL
  • 51,788,023,285 to QAHP5Z4P6QQV4S3MUVTOJM5D7SJDWPSD
  • 21,763,859,830 to 6H5USZBXMOYUAGCYEYF7P3A6QU2EJBCT
The DAG also shows plenty of Tx activity over the relevant time period, also strongly suggesting no technical issues were to blame for Changelly's delayed Tx.
Did you know…?
Under the Czech Republic's Code on Corporate Criminal Liability both Changelly and the individual perpetrator(s) would be criminally liable.
Changelly… fix this immediately.
Up next we’ll explore…
  • how to connect employee identities to the suspicious Byteball addresses
  • inner-workings of Changelly
  • the Bittrex and Changelly APIs
  • behind the scenes of the Changelly-Bittrex connection
  • Konstantin Gladych’s relationship with the European Cybercrime Center
  • presenting evidence to Czech and U.S. prosecutors
  • comments from devs re: Changelly’s technical excuses for failed Txs
  • similarities and differences between Changelly and BitInstant
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Tether should work on the BCC chain

I've been reading about Tether and the concept is interesting: a fully backed reserve of USD (and other currencies) tradeable as tokens on the Bitcoin blockchain. My first instinct is who would want their cryptocurrency to be pegged to fiat currency, but then I realized how this makes an easy way to get virtual fiat in and out of exchanges and then it started to look useful. It reminds me of the AurumXchange (I bought a lot of VouchX through Bitinstant back in the day to get USD onto Vircurex quickly and buy BTC on drops.)
But of course it's running on the BTC blockchain, so I would imagine fees must be mounting.
It turns out Tether tokens are issued on the blockchain using OmniLayer, which open source:
So I wonder if anyone has any projects in mind to do something similar on the improved BitcoinCash blockchain. It would be interesting to have USD-backed tokens on the BCC chain, as well as tokens backed by other currencies or precious metals.
It does look like the omnilayer stuff got ported to Litecoin; I would assume porting to BCC would be even easier:
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Evolution of Exchanges

Swap.Online delves into the background of centralized and decentralized cryptocurrency exchanges. As decentralization is our name for the game, we would primarily like to find out whether it was inevitable or not.

From Childhood to the Golden Age: DCEs and CEXs

The first centralized cryptocurrency exchanges had two main pre-historical roots of origin. Ideologically, they originated from the e-commerce exchange services of the early 2000s. Digital Currency Exchanges, or DCEs, were particularly popular in the U.S. and Australia. GoldAge Inc., E-Gold Inc., Liberty Reserve were frequently seen in the headlines mostly due to legal issues, as the U.S. SEC, as well as the Australian ASIC failed many times over to figure out whether the e-gold exchange was a form of banking, money laundering, non-licensed remittances or illegal entrepreneurship. These services exchanged fiat money on different digital currencies (1MDC, E-Gold, eCache etc.) and, in a way, fulfilled the demand of New World and EU citizens for anonymous transactions of digital and fiat money.
But, in fact, the first significant cryptocurrency exchange arose from a surprising source… The website of the online game “Magic: The Gathering Online”. This game’s name refers to a magical world, where the currency system is represented in the form of cards. Jed McCaleb, the programmer from San Francisco and future contributor for Ripple and Stellar, developed the Mt.Gox project with the purpose of trading these cards like traditional stocks. In January 2007, he purchased the domain name, but in 2008, he abandoned the project as a premature venture. One year later, he used this domain to advertise his own online game. In the year of 2010, he read about the concept of Bitcoin and decided to launch the Mt.Gox exchange and exchange rate service allowing to trade Bitcoin freely. The project was released on July 18, 2010.
Rapid commercial growth started when the product was sold to the French-Japanese developer Mark Karpeles in January 2011. It was the year 2011 when Mt.Gox demonstrated the main security challenges that traditional centralized exchanges will encounter all along their development path in the future. These included direct thefts from the platform’s wallets, attacks with multiple ‘ask’ orders, malefactor invasions resulting in price drops (one day, in the spring of 2011, 1 BTC was worth less than 0.01 USD) etc. By the way, the dramatic collapse of February 2014, with more than 750K BTC lost and the $65M civil suit in Tokyo court were still to come. During the years 2012–2013, every 3 of 4 Bitcoins in the world was sold via Mt.Gox, and it was a real success story.
The years 2011–2012 gave birth to the bulk of top centralized cryptocurrency exchanges. BTCC was founded in June 2011 as the first exchange for the Chinese market. At the same time, American developer Jesse Powell had spent a month visiting Mt.Gox offices to offer assistance in the aftermath of the first hack. He was unsatisfied with the level of business organization, and that was how Kraken was founded in July 2011. The infamous BTC-e platform for exchanging rubles for BTC was also launched in July 2011. In late 2011, the largest American exchange BitInstant was founded and started selling Bitcoin via WalMart and Walgreen. 2012 became the year of origin for Bitfinex, Coinbase (first Ethereum marketplace) and LocalBitcoins.

Pros and Cons of Centralized Exchanges

We are now six or seven years away of those days. Today, hundreds of centralized exchanges are offering the services of exchanging BTC, ERC-20 and another cryptos. We can even hardly classify them. Usually, specialists speak about three mainstream types of centralized exchanges.
Trading platforms. They connect buyers and sellers to each other, allowing them to publish trading orders and take some transactional fees (most commonly 0,3 per cent from the taker of the liquidity). For example,, BitFinex, BitStamp belong to this group. Usually, these platforms are characterized by a complicated interface, which is not suitable for newbies.
Cryptocurrency brokers. If a trading platform is a local market where you buy goods from their producers, the broker is a small player on the market. They sell coins at definite prices while setting high fees, but allow acquiring cryptos in a simpler manner. Moreover, most of them support a broad range of payment tools. Coinbase, Coinmama, Coinhouse are among the most popular brokers.
Peer-to-peer-services. They simply allow their users to publish announcements about operations with cryptos. The buyer and the seller directly negotiate the prices. It is even possible to find one selling crypto for cash in your neighborhood. The most remarkable example here is LocalBitcoins.
As one can see, now the range of services offered is truly broad. By the way, there is a list of common complaints regarding centralized exchanges both from traders and crypto theoreticians.
Safety. Even a single point of centralization can lead to the massive theft of users’ funds and keys. More than a million BTCs have been stolen by the time of writing of this article.
Regulation. If the center (or even one of the centers) of a CEX is physically located in some country, the position of this country’s government on ICOs and crypto related issues becomes crucial for the future of the project. Legal restrictions in this sector are now imposed in the U.S., China, South Korea, India etc. When your exchange is centralized, the officials can arrest your cryptos for no reason. Moreover, the administration of the exchange can be involved in fraud with your private information and money.
Speed. We have conducted some particular research on the speed of popular CEXs (Binance, Huobi, Poloniex, see p. 11). The results are sad: you can wait dozens of minutes waiting for the pending of your transaction.
KYC/AML. There is nothing to talk about in this regard, we suppose. If you must send someone your photo, a scanned copy of your ID or even proof of income wanting nothing in return but to withdraw your own funds, it is not OK.

Decentralization: The Solution

Decentralization, as the initial meaning and internal essence of blockchain, smart-contracts and cryptocurrencies, was first italicized by Satoshi Nakamoto and even Nick Szabo in 1990–2000-s. The rise of CEXs resulted in an obvious contradiction, because blockchain-based currencies are being operated via centralized mechanisms just like Visa or MasterCard, but much slowly. Is it normal? Where is the next stage of evolution or, does it even exist in the first place?
The answer was the main point of arguments in the crypto community during the year of 2017. In February, Vitalik came out with the suggestion about the nature of blockchain’s decentralization: “Blockchains are politically decentralized (no one controls them) and architecturally decentralized (no infrastructural central point of failure), but they are logically centralized (there is one commonly agreed state and the system behaves like a single computer)”.
The only possible expression in the commercial implementation of ‘architectural decentralization’ is the decentralized exchange of cryptocurrencies.
And the most advanced technology in this case is that of the Atomic Swaps — the direct peer-to-peer instant cross-chain transaction.
CEXs were the natural and inevitable stage of development for cryptocurrency exchanges. By the way, the DEXs are coming: we found them (namely IDEX, EtherDelta and Waves DEX) on the list of the top-100 exchanges on Coinmarketcap.
So, the Swap.Online team is on the right track. Get ready for ERC-20 ⇔ BTC, ETH ⇔ BTC, USDT ⇔ BTC, EOS ⇔ BTC trading directly from your browser with neither middlemen nor a centralized infrastructure.
See you on the mainnet on August 27, 2018,
Swap.Online Team
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ATH investors and those who invested outside their risk tolerance are holding back the bull market

So, I got into this market late November, made some nice gains and wisely cashed out a large chunk in very early January. Been aware of Bitcoin and cryptos since 2011, played with Silk Road and Bitinstant, salty about not hodling, etc.
Anyways, I have held on to, and added to my small portfolio of cryptos, and am looking forward to building this portfolio over time.
My take is this: the biggest thing holding back this market right now is the "dead wood." These are the ATH investors who bought into BTC with no idea as to what was; ignored the idea of risk tolerance. Many bought on credit, a few cashed out their 401Ks and took out home equity loans, etc.
The problem is these "dead wood" types are hurting bad. They've seen their investments drop by 60, 70, 80 plus percent, but are continuing to hold with the hopes of recovering at least some of their initial investment. Some have leveraged themselves even further in order to start trading, or to double down on their initial investment (chasing losses).
So, this is the medicine the market needs:
BTC needs to have a final, convulsive move downwards to the 3K range and possibly stay there for awhile, to really spur the last of these desperate souls to panic sell and leave the market for good. This would serve the purpose of not only getting these weak hands to leave, but would also signal a safe entry point to whales. With whale money getting fully back in, and the weak hands being cleared out for good, the sideways indecisiveness in the market we've been seeing will finally end, and BTC and the crypto market in general will finally return to healthy growth.
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How do I sell cryptocurrency without documentation of my cost basis? (US)

Hi PF,
As the title says, I have a problem. I have been investing in and trading cryptocurrency for 5 years. I lack the ability to substantiate any claim as to the source of these funds because I did not keep or cannot access 4 out of 5 years of records of purchases and trades that led to this point. In my (minor) defense, there was zero guidance about taxes and cryptocurrency when I bought the initial coins.
Here is where I screwed up:
1- I bought many bitcoin on mt gox, bitinstant, and All three are defunct, I have no record of these purchases. Not in my email, not on my bank statements (cash, moneygram, western union were primay payment methods). Purchase dates, unknown. I do know the prices of the cheapest and most expensive coin of this group as well as how many so I know the average price, but again, I cannot prove any of it.
2- Many trades were made on various exchanges over the years, each being a taxable event. Of 5 years of trading, I only have records for the most recent years records. One exchange is defunct, one does not have user accounts and provides no way to lookup order history, and the other I have lost the 2FA access to. This is thousands of trades that I have not properly documented with unknown dates, prices, gains, etc.
3- I bought another crypto, Ethereum, in early 2016. I did this by exchanging bitcoin for it. I have no record of this taking place. I sent bitcoin to a service that sent me the ethereum in return. I know the price of the ethereum and quantity but again, there is no documentation of this purchase.
I want to cash out, pay my taxes, and buy a house. I just don't even know where to begin. Can a tax professional help someone who can't provide any documentation of such a thing? Certainly there must be some way to resolve this properly?
The little price and date information that I do know exists only in my head. I don't think that quite cuts it with the IRS when they ask for proof. I'm a bit worried, I don't want any problems with the government.
-A Throwaway
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A step by step guide for newbies who want bitcoins anonymously.

This may be a long post, essentially I just thought it would curb a lot of the questions around here about how to acquire BTC. So here goes:
  1. Go to
  2. Select cash to bitcoin address
  3. On your SR account, under "account" (on the top bar beside messages and orders) there should be a BTC address in green characters. Copy and paste that as the bitcoin address to send your BTC to on bitinstant.
  4. For your notification email they ask for on the bitinstant website form, use a tormail account for anonymity. This is free and super easy to set up. I use squirrel mail as it is the most basic. sign up here: http://jhiwjjlqpyawmpjx.onion/ and for the other info (name and DOB) make it up. but use the same fake info when you actually deposit the cash. I used my fake ID's info (I have a PA ID that I got from ID chief before he was shut down, so i use that info)
  5. After you fill that out, it will send you to zipzap. Follow the basic instructions there and use your real zipcode to find places close to you that will allow you to do this transaction. I chose CVS.
  6. follow the rest of their instructions and make sure you print out the pdf with all the information (account number and code and such). take this form with you to CVS.
  7. Go to the customer service department (or photo department lol this is where the moneygram stuff was when I went). Just pick up the red phone and listen. You will be asked an address, name, and phone number. SAY YOURE PAYING A BILL. I think they say "press 2 for bill payment". Press that. Then just follow the instructions on the phone and such. About the address and shit: Just give them any address and zipcode, same bullshit with the name. Any name will do (try and make sure it matches the fake one you originally used on bitinstant though just in case), and say you chose not to give your phone number.
  8. They will eventually tell you "you are paying a company (zip zap) please go to the counter and tell them your name and that you are paying a company"
  9. go to the cashier and tell them you are so and so paying a bill/company with moneygram and they will confirm the amount of cash.
  10. after you give them the cash, you will be on your way! :) It should take a bit for the BTC to be confirmed.
GENERAL INFO: Bitinstant will give you a specific amount. i.e. $242.97 and you MUST have exact change when you pay.
Make sure you have enough. There is a 4% fee plus zip zap takes like $3.99. So to be safe, deposit 10% more than you need. I made this mistake yesterday lol. For example: you want $250 in your SR account. Deposit $250 + 10% ($25) so you'll deposit $275.
If you go home and would like to see where your BTC currently are, take your SR address (or the address you sent to) and search it on and when that address has anywhere from 7-10 confirmations, it should appear in your SR account!
It should take about an hour or two from depositing until the time when you have BTC in your account. Happy shopping :)
If this guide sucked, I'm sorry. lol. I tried.
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